Via Danger and Play : Single Female Seeking Same-Race Male (New York Times)
At least that’s the picture that emerges from studies of online daters and speed daters. Men are generally willing to date someone of another race, but women are more reluctant, especially African-American women.Consider “Racial Preferences in Dating,” a study of more than 400 graduate and professional students who participated in speed dating sessions at Columbia University organized by Raymond Fisman, Sheena S. Iyengar, Emir Kamenica and Itamar Simonson. The researchers conclude: “Even in a population of relatively progressive individuals who have self-selected into participation in a multi-cultural Speed Dating event, we observe strong racial preferences.”There’s also a clear gender divide, as the researchers note: “Women of all races exhibit strong same race preferences, while men of no race exhibit a statistically significant same race preference.” You might think the gender gap is the result of different dating goals: perhaps the men are more interested in short-term flings, whereas the women are looking for a lasting relationship and are concerned about potential complications from cultural differences. But the researchers conclude otherwise after looking at the data:“Since older subjects (who are more likely to attend the Speed Dating sessions in hope of starting a serious relationship) have a weaker same race preference, this gender difference is unlikely to result from differential dating goals between men and women.”The researchers found that most women speed daters said yes (meaning they’d like to see a man again after the four-minute speed date) less often to men of another race than they did to men of their own race. Here’s how much less interested they were in the other races, as compared with their enthusiasm for men of their own race:African-American women said yes about 30 percent less often to Hispanic men; about 45 percent less often to white men; about 65 percent less often to Asian men.White women said yes about 30 percent less often to black or Hispanic men, and about 65 percent less often to Asian men.Hispanic women said yes about 20 percent less often to black or white men, and 50 percent less often to Asian men.Asian women didn’t discriminate much by race (except for showing a very slight preference for Asian men over black or Hispanic men).After noting who said yes to whom, the researchers analyzed a confounding factor: the men’s physical attractiveness. They found that the women of different races generally agreed with one another in rating the various men’s attractiveness — and that they were less willing to date a man of another race even when he was just as attractive as a man of their own race. When the researchers controlled for the men’s attractiveness, they found that white, Hispanic and Asian women generally showed about the same level of same-race preference, while black women showed a significantly higher preference.
I came across this article, and it pretty much sums up what I've experienced and felt from constantly hammering away infield. Since I'm no longer wearing my "optimistic rose-colored glasses", and view reality the way it actually is, rather than the way I wish or hope for it to be, this shit rings true like a heart-attack.
I had thought about this in the back of my mind for a while, but never wanted to play the "race card" on my game. It mostly started from online game. I was putting in work on online game, working both OKCupid and Plenty of Fish and getting ZERO phone numbers in over 3 years of on-and-off on those sites. The successes I got where from Facebook and Myspace game, and surprise, they were "Asian girls". They were always the most receptive to my game, even over my own kind, the sistas. I followed Player Supreme and Too Short's advice, "Get in where you fit in" and Yellow Fever was born.
I kept hearing on pickup forums about how white dudes where getting dates online like they were being handed out, and kept on wondering why the hell I couldn't get any. I'm gonna keep it real, some of these cats where ugly mugs, I would look at their pictures wondering what the hell they were doing that I wasn't doing. I switched up my game and tried the copy-and-pastas they were trying...to no avail.
Don't get me wrong, I was messaging girls, and they would respond, some messages would even have a 40% messaging back rate, but after a few messages back and forth, they would always balk at meeting up, or exchanging contact info. After a few years of this I started to look at the reality of the situation and figured these bitches online were not ready for "interracial" dating, at least from online.
I never really voiced these thoughts, until OKCupid came out with a blog post that said the exact things I was feeling.
White men get more responses. Whatever it is, white males just get more replies from almost every group. We were careful to preselect our data pool so that physical attractiveness (as measured by our site picture-rating utility) was roughly even across all the race/gender slices. For guys, we did likewise with height.White women prefer white men to the exclusion of everyone else—and Asian and Hispanic women prefer them even more exclusively. These three types of women only respond well to white men. More significantly, these groups’ reply rates to non-whites is terrible. Asian women write back non-white males at 21.9%, Hispanic women at 22.9%, and white women at 23.0%. It’s here where things get interesting, for white women in particular. If you look at the match-by-race table before this one, the “should-look-like” one, you see that white women have an above-average compatibility with almost every group. Yet they only reply well to guys who look like them. There’s more data on this towards the end of the post.
- How Race Affects the Messages You Get Back - OKTrends
I then knew I wasn't dreaming. Using logic and rational thinking, I asked myself if this shit was happening behind closed doors on a computer screen, then why isn't it happening in real life? ...Then it hit me like a deer in the headlights being struck by a truck and realizing the impeding doom.
As I mentioned a while back, I would roll with some white dudes, and not to dog their game or anything, they were spitting mediocre/sub-par game and getting dates with ease, compared to me. I would chalk it up to beginners luck, but when it happens more than once, it's no longer luck, the facts have to then be properly analyzed.
I noticed that the dates I did get, thinking it was due to my game, I would later find out the girl was into "black guys". Specifically, I remember my freshman year approaching a redhead white girl during freshman orientation genuinely asking for directions around campus since it was our first time there. She ignored me, thinking that I was trying to pick her up I think.
I befriend a bunch of white dudes later on that night that she was friends with. Fast forward a couple months later and after becoming accepted by their social circle, the same redhead girl started throwing IOIs out the ass and even suggesting I crash over her dorm room.
This reminds me of what a fellow brotha, Assanova said about white women. If a white girl has never dated "interracially" and is not curious, chances are low you'll change her mind from pure cold approach because of the social backlash she might get. Most of the times it happens for him, where when he befriended their social circle and was then seen as a cool, dominant alpha guy. There were then willing to look at him for his character, rather than skin color, and that's how he usually became their first black guy.
Take-Away
So what do I take away from this. I need to target my niche and market to them specifically. I should go where the bitches are known for being chocoholics (I love that word haha) and should find out early on whether she's receptive with brothas. This should be incorporated into my qualification.
Knowing the huge disadvantage I already have with online game, I've been putting in a lot of work during my vacation and game hiatus, working on a method that works for me. I really hated the time, so I even made it easier and it now works on auto-pilot.
This shit is a game changer. I tested it out in other cities and I've been getting 5 to 10+ messages a day, and 12 numbers thus far, and I'm a black guy haha. If a white dude were to do this, just multiply the results I'm getting by 3 or 4, no joke. And it runs on auto-pilot, only takes me 30 seconds a day haha.
This shit is so good that I'm keeping it to myself for now until I'm tired of it and ready to give it away. I might do a post about it.
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This is sadly true. Most women join online dating sites to find a husband. It would be unacceptable for the majority of white girls in this country to bring home a black guy. This is why your responses when messaging these women will be low. Is it racist? Ofcourse...but it doesn't mean u cant hookup with a few on online dating sites. It just means it's gonna take a lot more messages.
ReplyDeleteThe study said finding a husband wasn't a factor, they base-lined it with other males trying to do that as well and still got the same results. Reading up on it, it appears to be an evolutionary stable strategy for women who do. Regardless, it's a numbers game and I'm working on finding my fish bowl.
ReplyDeleteGood stuff super. I'm trying the same thing myself given my limited time for shit. What is your response rate?
ReplyDeleteIt varies based on the message. I've had some that got a message back 80% of the time, and some that where 40%, but it's hard to maintain those numbers long term b/c OKC and PoF have anti-spam measures that make them not work after 10+ messages. On average I expect a good message to get a 30% message back rate, any less and I know I can do better, any more and I know I got something good going.
ReplyDeleteOnline game is 90% based of looks, I know a dude who looks really good and gets more ass then your favorite guru, does he have super game or super tight profile? hell naw just some pics of him showing his abs/arms and hes got hot hot bitches DTF, last I heard he was smashing 2-3 girls a week and that's new pussy!
ReplyDeleteYea true. I'm gonna work on giving him a run for his money though. Giving the little guys a chance.
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